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Why don't you say your marriage broke
down, Dave?

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Probably the same reasons as yours did,
Philip.

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There's a white band on your finger
where your ring used to be.

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One in three marriages in this country
end in divorce. If that's an indication

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of mental illness, God help us. This
isn't a battle, Dave. You're not here to

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prove anything.

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I'm sorry. I thought that was precisely
the point of this.

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I simply need you to explain to me why
you want to go back to a job that

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your marriage and gave you a nervous
breakdown.

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When was the last time you had
promotion?

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Hasn't made you quit, has it?

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You get to a point in your life when you
think, well, this is what I do best,

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this is who I am.

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No, no, you're wrong about that. I've
separated those two out.

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If I won the lottery tomorrow, you
wouldn't see me for dust.

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Well,

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that's probably why I do what I do
better than you.

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How do I know you won't succumb to the
pressure again?

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I don't think you understand.

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When was the last time a friend of yours
was murdered?

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Some kids coming here messing about,
looking for a thrill.

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Got more than they bargained for.

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No one around here heard or saw anything
unusual last night.

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No one's reported a fire. We looked for
the prints outside, but with this boss,

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the grounds rock hard.

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It's a waste of time looking for prints.

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Body's been here at least two weeks.

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Look, you've given your permission for
me to come back.

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If there's any doubt in your mind, you
could always ask another junior officer

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to compile a report on me.

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Taylor was on her way to the morgue when
they spoke to her.

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She may have hung on for you.

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They offered me extended leave.

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Didn't take it.

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Long holidays bore me rigid.

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How was the assessment?

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As you'd expect.

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Did he talk about Rivers?

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Not a lot.

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Two deaths within three weeks of each
other. Both taken to a remote spot and

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torched. Seen a crime five miles apart.

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In both cases, no one heard or saw
anything.

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So we're looking for a pyromaniac
sadist.

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At the minute, we're just looking for an
ID on this body.

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He was a big guy.

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Over six foot.

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Planked 12, 13 stone.

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He had a way.

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I could have told you that.

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I do hope there's more.

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In the amount of decomposition, I'd
say...

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Been there at least a fortnight.

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What about his teeth?

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Estimate of age?

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Difficult to say.

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Come on, Max, there must be something.

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Between 25 and 45.

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Without more information, it's going to
be virtually impossible to identify.

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I found a replacement for Riverside.

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Our mystery man is found here.

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Hyman House.

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Place for people with psychiatric
problems.

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It's founded by a wealthy philanthropist
who objected to the old Victorian

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asylums. Burned down 989.

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There'll have been an inquiry.

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I'll check it out. So what's the
connection between this body and, um...

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Jane Howard?

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Well, at the minute, no obvious
connection, except in the way they died.

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Jane Howard burned to death months ago,
found in woodland a mile away from her

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home in Muswell Hill.

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Widow.

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Retired florist.

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Pillar of the community.

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Bloody, bloody, bloody, blah, blah.

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And the coroner's report was assumed
suicide.

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Yet forensics didn't find as much as a
match at the scene of the crime.

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Excluding spontaneous combustion, there
is no way she could have done it

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herself. Compared with our friend here.
Interesting point.

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There's very little damage to the area
surrounding each of the...

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Okay, everyone, this is Martin Simmons.
Just joined us. I thought it might be a

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good idea if you sat in on this
briefing.

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Martin.

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Very little damage to the area
surrounding each of the bodies.

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So once these two were set on fire, they
didn't try and run.

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They just let it happen.

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No one heard anything.

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No screaming.

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No raised voices.

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Did anything come up in the tox report?

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Oh, well, this fellow was too badly
decomposed to test for drugs.

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Jane Howard has since been cremated.

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Ironic, I know. Any evidence of
accelerant?

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Well, they weren't going to go up like
that without some help, were they?

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I was wondering if the same accelerant
was used in both cases.

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We're still waiting on forensics. What
did a missing person say?

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Nothing positive yet. Looks like Jane
Howard was our first victim.

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You'd better talk to the family.

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Do you think your mother might have
committed suicide?

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No.

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Not really.

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We know this is difficult.

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But can you think of any reason why
someone might have wanted to kill her?

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Absolutely none.

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She didn't have any money.

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When was the last time you saw her?

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Not long before.

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A week.

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And there wasn't anything troubling her?

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Anything you thought odd?

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No.

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I could always tell if she was keeping
anything from me.

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I've drawn up something on arson and its
motives.

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Financial reward covering up another
crime, political protest, mixed motives,

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arson committed by young adults and
children.

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Revenge.

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Oh, and last but not least, arson
committed as a means of deriving sexual

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satisfaction, which, as far as I'm
concerned, is a lot about bollocks.

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Anyway, who mentioned arson?

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We would have appreciated some warning,
so... I'm sorry?

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We didn't think you were going to
replace Rivers so quickly.

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Simmons is here on a transfer for six
weeks.

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He isn't working for you exclusively.

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Here's the report into the 89 fire at
Hyman House.

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All patient and staff records were
destroyed in the fire.

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That's a good start.

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And Joseph Layton was injured.

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Suffered 40 % burns.

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He might give us something useful if
he's still alive.

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The woman who used to run that place.

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Dr.

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Philippa Edwards. She works for the Home
Office now.

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What's she like?

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Clever, ambitious, highly strong.

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Jacques Dutronc.

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1991, he was convicted of the murder of
five women.

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Sorry, you set them on fire.

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Where is he now?

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High security prison, Limoges.

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Roger Tronk, he, uh... He used to talk
his victims into allowing themselves to

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be burned.

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I mean, fire as a weapon of death is
rare.

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Don't make me speak to him. When can you
go?

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He only talks to women.

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Besides, your friend is much better than
mine.

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I'll go to the home office.

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The investigation said the fire at Hyman
House was an accident.

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Do you have any reason to disagree with
that? If I had, I would have said it at

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the time of the inquiry.

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Did any of the residents have a history
of fire setting?

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Fire setting isn't uncommon amongst
those with psychiatric disorders.

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Meaning? If you check their notes, I'm
sure you'd find several of them have

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such history. No, but I can't.

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Because of all destroying the fire?

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Of course.

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Along with a couple of very valuable
prints of mine.

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Oh, I'm sorry.

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The man who was burned, Josh Layton. Do
you know what happened to him? Look, I'm

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sorry. It's over ten years ago.

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All the residents were transferred to
other units.

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I myself didn't take up another post.
And why was that?

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It was a traumatic experience for us
all, Inspector.

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Did the name Jane Howard mean anything
to you?

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No. Was she a resident?

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Thank you, Doctor.

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You've been very helpful.

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Control. Cregan?

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Yes, Cregan, you asked me to find you
IC1 male, name of Josh Layton.

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Where is he?

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He's in Middlesex Hospital, Armitage
Ward.

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Do you know why?

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Yes, he's recovering from his...

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She don't mean it. I thought we spoke in
English.

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So you want to learn more about fire?

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What does fire make you think of?

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Heat. And?

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Danger. And?

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Cleansing, purification, creativity,
life, death, power.

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I know what's wrong.

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You feel for them, don't you?

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You worry about their pain.

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Suzanne, life is full of pain.

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Being born is one of the most painful of
human experiences.

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But wouldn't I have that?

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Did you restrain your victims?

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No. Were they drugged?

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No.

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I seduced them.

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Not literally.

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I don't get that kind of satisfaction
from setting fire.

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What kind of satisfaction do you get?

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Spiritual.

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Of course.

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After fire, we feel... clean again.

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Unpolished. Not if you're dead, you
don't.

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How do you know?

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You're probably a very clever woman, but
even you don't know how it feels to be

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dead.

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Death by fire is the purest way of
dying.

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That's why we say consumed by fire.

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That's why it was a special punishment
for heretics.

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Because their sins were deemed so bad
that only fire could cleanse them

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completely. The young women you killed
died agonizing deaths.

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They'd already undergone the process of
re -education.

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Fire is a possible force in nearly every
primitive society.

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That's why missionaries always failed to
frighten the native with a story of

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hellfire and damnation.

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There's no need to be afraid.

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My girls were not afraid in the end.

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They were in ecstasy, not agony.

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He didn't talk about you much.

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Oh, yeah, there's an unwritten rule.

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You know, we keep work and family apart.

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Thought most of you didn't have
families.

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He worked for the OSC, Hannah.

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It was his choice.

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I lied just now. He did talk about you.

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He said you were unpredictable.

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Brilliant.

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Unique.

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Did he?

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Well, he always was one to exaggerate.

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I'm not really sure why I'm here,
Hannah.

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Neither am I.

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People keep telling me it wasn't my
fault.

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I know they're just saying it to shut me
up.

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I'm sorry.

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I shouldn't be telling you this.

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I've lost my sense of taste since it
happened.

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Isn't that strange?

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You feel for them, don't you?

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You worry about their pain.

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There's no need.

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Their pain was short.

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We're the ones who suffer.

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The dead don't care about the living.

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It's a living who had to deal with pain.

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Thanks very much.

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Hi.

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Sorry.

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Sorry. Sorry.

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I just want to go through it with you.

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The case.

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Quiggan, don't lurk. I wasn't lurking.

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I hate it when you lurk.

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So I was our professor of anthropology.

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Yeah.

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Thank you.

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Yeah, pathology can't identify the body.

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It's got two victims, a benign 65 -year
-old woman and a man with no face.

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I'm going to call Tom Munro.

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Get him to do a reconstruction job for
us.

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Yeah, good.

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00:16:24,740 --> 00:16:26,060
Yeah, I thought so. Quiggan.

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Insomnia is commonly thought to be a
feature of the disturbed mind.

255
00:16:30,100 --> 00:16:32,699
Now, since it's barely two days since
you passed your medical, I think you

256
00:16:32,700 --> 00:16:36,700
should go home, go to bed, and at least
pretend to be a normal person.

257
00:16:37,220 --> 00:16:38,270
Night -night.

258
00:17:04,140 --> 00:17:05,220
Dad, what do you want?

259
00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:07,720
I came to get the kids.

260
00:17:08,500 --> 00:17:10,790
It's nearly half eleven. They're fast
asleep.

261
00:17:11,460 --> 00:17:12,510
Oh.

262
00:17:12,640 --> 00:17:13,690
Well,

263
00:17:14,200 --> 00:17:15,250
can I just see them?

264
00:17:43,511 --> 00:17:45,559
You see?

265
00:17:45,560 --> 00:17:47,020
I told you they were fine.

266
00:17:48,880 --> 00:17:51,350
Look at them and I don't care about
anything else.

267
00:17:53,920 --> 00:17:55,340
Everyone else can go to hell.

268
00:17:59,540 --> 00:18:00,590
What's wrong?

269
00:18:01,380 --> 00:18:02,940
Andy's still giving you grief?

270
00:18:04,200 --> 00:18:11,159
Debbie, I can't go on

271
00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:12,210
babysitting.

272
00:18:13,480 --> 00:18:15,980
It's the third time this week. I need a
rest myself.

273
00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,020
Right, well, I'll see you tomorrow then.

274
00:20:44,521 --> 00:20:47,619
Pack it up for you, shall I, Tom?

275
00:20:47,620 --> 00:20:51,059
If it's any bother, I've got to... How
long's it going to take? I've got to

276
00:20:51,060 --> 00:20:54,019
clean up the skull first, you know,
repair the damage, and then, well, it

277
00:20:54,020 --> 00:20:55,200
depends. On what?

278
00:20:55,860 --> 00:20:57,440
On how inspired I'm feeling.

279
00:20:58,360 --> 00:20:59,980
Any news on the accelerant used?

280
00:21:00,500 --> 00:21:01,550
Petrol.

281
00:21:01,551 --> 00:21:04,119
Talking of which, I found something
unusual.

282
00:21:04,120 --> 00:21:05,620
Traces of it in this guy's lung.

283
00:21:05,740 --> 00:21:06,790
He inhaled it.

284
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:08,860
Hmm. It's more common in suicide.

285
00:21:08,861 --> 00:21:12,939
Once the persons cover themselves with
petrol, there's usually a pause before

286
00:21:12,940 --> 00:21:14,080
they go through with it.

287
00:21:14,081 --> 00:21:17,629
Sometimes the interval's long enough for
the fumes to be absorbed into the lung.

288
00:21:17,630 --> 00:21:18,770
But this isn't suicide.

289
00:21:19,090 --> 00:21:20,290
No, it's absolutely not.

290
00:21:20,291 --> 00:21:22,049
Far out of somewhere at the back of the
body.

291
00:21:22,050 --> 00:21:23,100
How big an interval?

292
00:21:23,150 --> 00:21:24,630
Er, ten, fifteen minutes.

293
00:21:24,990 --> 00:21:26,550
Oh, he knows he's daft at our max.

294
00:21:27,210 --> 00:21:31,189
If there's something to do and it's hard
to begin it, sit right about it. Don't

295
00:21:31,190 --> 00:21:32,240
waste a minute.

296
00:21:32,790 --> 00:21:33,840
Enid Blyton.

297
00:21:34,010 --> 00:21:36,210
The wonders of a classical education.

298
00:21:38,590 --> 00:21:40,030
What was all that back there?

299
00:21:40,310 --> 00:21:42,360
Tom's wife left him about six months
ago.

300
00:21:44,970 --> 00:21:46,230
She's now living with Max.

301
00:21:47,270 --> 00:21:51,870
Can you imagine sleeping with a
pathologist?

302
00:21:52,190 --> 00:21:53,240
No.

303
00:22:20,650 --> 00:22:21,700
Same as before.

304
00:22:21,701 --> 00:22:24,569
I know this place from the map. We had
three attempts at clearing up the

305
00:22:24,570 --> 00:22:25,620
dealers.

306
00:22:30,450 --> 00:22:32,190
Her name's Debbie Lewis.

307
00:22:33,030 --> 00:22:35,750
She lived on the estate with her two
kids.

308
00:22:38,830 --> 00:22:40,150
Are these cuts here?

309
00:22:42,990 --> 00:22:44,370
Maybe she put up a fight.

310
00:22:45,210 --> 00:22:47,320
I don't know. It could be self
-mutilation.

311
00:23:02,330 --> 00:23:03,590
Yeah, I could eat a potato.

312
00:23:39,020 --> 00:23:40,070
So when's it due?

313
00:23:41,460 --> 00:23:42,510
April.

314
00:23:43,940 --> 00:23:45,120
April 13th.

315
00:23:46,140 --> 00:23:47,460
Should we come back later?

316
00:23:48,020 --> 00:23:49,600
No. No, I'm fine now.

317
00:23:51,060 --> 00:23:53,560
Did Debbie say where she was going?

318
00:23:53,561 --> 00:23:56,119
After she dropped the kids off last
night?

319
00:23:56,120 --> 00:23:57,170
No.

320
00:23:57,560 --> 00:23:58,610
The club.

321
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:00,560
I don't remember the name.

322
00:24:01,160 --> 00:24:02,240
Not into clubbing.

323
00:24:03,180 --> 00:24:05,040
Yeah, I can't see you raving with that.

324
00:24:05,141 --> 00:24:09,289
She came back to collect them at what
time?

325
00:24:09,290 --> 00:24:11,310
It was late, about half eleven.

326
00:24:12,810 --> 00:24:14,980
She did things like that. She wasn't
with it.

327
00:24:15,910 --> 00:24:17,110
You know she's an addict.

328
00:24:17,111 --> 00:24:21,749
I felt sorry for the kids. I thought if
she leaves them with me, at least

329
00:24:21,750 --> 00:24:22,800
they're safe.

330
00:24:24,430 --> 00:24:28,530
I told her they were asleep and I'd drop
around to her place in the morning.

331
00:24:29,710 --> 00:24:31,150
So at what time did she leave?

332
00:24:31,630 --> 00:24:32,680
I don't know.

333
00:24:32,890 --> 00:24:33,940
She wasn't here long.

334
00:24:35,210 --> 00:24:36,260
Midnight?

335
00:24:37,070 --> 00:24:39,730
I watched her until she got to the flat.
She was upset.

336
00:24:40,130 --> 00:24:43,560
You actually saw her go back to the
flat? I can see her front door from

337
00:24:46,030 --> 00:24:49,070
I saw her go out again later when I was
on my way to bed.

338
00:24:50,470 --> 00:24:51,520
Was she alone?

339
00:24:55,250 --> 00:24:56,390
There was someone else.

340
00:24:57,690 --> 00:24:59,670
This is completely confidential, Lynn.

341
00:25:01,550 --> 00:25:02,600
Hey.

342
00:25:03,490 --> 00:25:04,540
Trust us.

343
00:25:05,880 --> 00:25:06,930
Sit down.

344
00:25:08,660 --> 00:25:11,370
B .I. Cregan and Taylor. Never heard of
you. Are you funny?

345
00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:15,770
This woman, her name's Jane Howard. Ring
any bells, Andy?

346
00:25:15,771 --> 00:25:17,259
None whatsoever.

347
00:25:17,260 --> 00:25:19,490
Well, maybe you'd like to take a closer
look.

348
00:25:25,000 --> 00:25:26,200
Still never heard of her.

349
00:25:26,201 --> 00:25:28,579
How long were you and Debbie Lewis
together?

350
00:25:28,580 --> 00:25:30,200
Six years. So what happened then?

351
00:25:30,260 --> 00:25:34,360
Did you wake up one day and think, this
relationship has broken down?

352
00:25:35,100 --> 00:25:37,100
Or did she chalk you out? I left.

353
00:25:37,101 --> 00:25:40,339
Do you know what it's like living with a
junkie? A lot of addicts make

354
00:25:40,340 --> 00:25:41,559
surprisingly good mothers.

355
00:25:41,560 --> 00:25:44,999
Yeah. And some of them stick their
finger in methadone and let the baby

356
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:46,050
it.

357
00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:47,720
Did Debbie ever cut herself?

358
00:25:47,721 --> 00:25:48,499
Do what?

359
00:25:48,500 --> 00:25:49,720
You know, self -abuse.

360
00:25:50,000 --> 00:25:51,200
No, she wasn't like that.

361
00:25:51,540 --> 00:25:52,920
She just gave in all the time.

362
00:25:52,921 --> 00:25:56,099
She couldn't be bothered. I left because
I got fed up waiting for her to clean

363
00:25:56,100 --> 00:25:57,150
up her act.

364
00:26:00,580 --> 00:26:02,080
I found this in your flat, Andy.

365
00:26:02,160 --> 00:26:03,210
So what?

366
00:26:03,500 --> 00:26:04,550
I've got a car.

367
00:26:04,810 --> 00:26:06,490
I don't like running out of petrol.

368
00:26:06,491 --> 00:26:07,989
It's prudent.

369
00:26:07,990 --> 00:26:10,209
Well, why not keep it in your car, like
most people?

370
00:26:10,210 --> 00:26:11,260
I did not kill Debbie.

371
00:26:11,261 --> 00:26:12,929
I hadn't even seen her for two days.

372
00:26:12,930 --> 00:26:16,189
Well, we've got a witness who says they
saw you leave the flat with Debbie in

373
00:26:16,190 --> 00:26:17,589
the early hours of this morning.

374
00:26:17,590 --> 00:26:18,640
They can't have.

375
00:26:19,090 --> 00:26:20,140
Who told you that?

376
00:26:21,870 --> 00:26:25,410
This is Diary Taylor, closing this
interview at 12 .45am.

377
00:26:26,710 --> 00:26:30,769
The typical arsonist is likely to have
problems forming relationships, so

378
00:26:30,770 --> 00:26:33,240
probably lives alone, is separated or
divorced.

379
00:26:34,060 --> 00:26:38,860
He may have previous for petty theft,
criminal damage, possibly fire -setting.

380
00:26:38,861 --> 00:26:42,119
Likely to have had a relationship with
the deceased.

381
00:26:42,120 --> 00:26:43,500
It's not him. It's not Carson.

382
00:26:43,680 --> 00:26:45,970
We're talking about fire as a weapon of
death.

383
00:26:45,971 --> 00:26:47,599
We're not playing with matches.

384
00:26:47,600 --> 00:26:48,619
He's got a motive.

385
00:26:48,620 --> 00:26:50,420
For Debbie, not for the others.

386
00:26:50,421 --> 00:26:54,479
We don't even know who that body in the
Heinemann house belongs to. How can we

387
00:26:54,480 --> 00:26:56,039
assume there's no connection with
Carson?

388
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,930
Look, this isn't some embittered ex
getting his own back.

389
00:26:59,080 --> 00:27:00,940
Our killer's on a mission. He's driven.

390
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:02,660
He's already killed three times.

391
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:06,530
Targeting specific people and disposing
of them in a very specific way.

392
00:27:09,380 --> 00:27:10,520
What did the trunk say?

393
00:27:11,100 --> 00:27:13,520
It's about purification. Making the bad
good.

394
00:27:13,521 --> 00:27:17,859
If Debbie was a drug addict, maybe the
killer thinks he's burning away her

395
00:27:17,860 --> 00:27:20,210
Jane Howard? Does she have a drug
problem too?

396
00:27:20,620 --> 00:27:21,670
He's got a point.

397
00:27:22,120 --> 00:27:24,830
How many retired florist heroin addicts
do you know?

398
00:27:25,540 --> 00:27:27,900
So, what are you going to do with
Carson?

399
00:27:30,740 --> 00:27:31,790
We let him go.

400
00:27:31,940 --> 00:27:32,990
We put a follow on him.

401
00:27:33,580 --> 00:27:36,920
Apart from the obvious, heroin, I found
rehypnol.

402
00:27:37,371 --> 00:27:39,459
Large dose.

403
00:27:39,460 --> 00:27:41,750
Given about half an hour before time of
death.

404
00:27:42,901 --> 00:27:45,619
That's why there's no sound.

405
00:27:45,620 --> 00:27:46,619
No screaming.

406
00:27:46,620 --> 00:27:47,670
No struggling.

407
00:27:50,060 --> 00:27:56,669
First I thought they were scratches that
she tried to fight off a killer, but

408
00:27:56,670 --> 00:27:59,320
the marks are too deliberate to be part
of a struggle.

409
00:27:59,750 --> 00:28:00,800
They're letters.

410
00:28:01,190 --> 00:28:05,030
That's a Y, an M and an F. Or an E.

411
00:28:05,790 --> 00:28:06,840
Y -M -E.

412
00:28:07,590 --> 00:28:08,640
Why me?

413
00:28:08,641 --> 00:28:09,969
They're fresh.

414
00:28:09,970 --> 00:28:11,350
An hour before death at most.

415
00:28:11,351 --> 00:28:14,229
It's possible she did them herself, but
unlikely.

416
00:28:14,230 --> 00:28:16,090
No, Carson said she never cut herself.

417
00:28:17,370 --> 00:28:18,510
Now the killer did this.

418
00:28:19,070 --> 00:28:20,120
Why me?

419
00:28:20,121 --> 00:28:22,569
We won't know if it's something he did
to the others.

420
00:28:22,570 --> 00:28:25,109
Jane Howard was cremated and the second
body was too badly burned.

421
00:28:25,110 --> 00:28:28,180
Is he telling us why he chose Debbie?
Why she deserved to die?

422
00:28:36,130 --> 00:28:39,410
Well, what kind of system do you call
this?

423
00:28:39,730 --> 00:28:41,210
Well, um... Greetings.

424
00:28:41,990 --> 00:28:43,250
Facts from Southgate CID.

425
00:28:43,521 --> 00:28:45,449
What is it?

426
00:28:45,450 --> 00:28:46,389
Suspected arson.

427
00:28:46,390 --> 00:28:47,890
Four people in intensive care.

428
00:28:47,891 --> 00:28:49,529
Well, the house was set on fire.

429
00:28:49,530 --> 00:28:50,319
Yeah, I believe so.

430
00:28:50,320 --> 00:28:53,119
Nothing to do with this case, sir. Three
miles from the Hyman house fire. They

431
00:28:53,120 --> 00:28:56,250
want you to check it out. One of the
victims is conscious. Please.

432
00:28:56,441 --> 00:28:59,139
What, you're on your way out?

433
00:28:59,140 --> 00:29:00,190
Josh Layton?

434
00:29:00,260 --> 00:29:02,180
Recovering from his tenth operation?

435
00:29:05,001 --> 00:29:07,819
What are you giving it me for?

436
00:29:07,820 --> 00:29:09,200
Because it's a waste of time.

437
00:29:09,460 --> 00:29:10,510
Just file it away.

438
00:29:11,840 --> 00:29:16,800
The investigation at the time of the
fire said it was a cigarette.

439
00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:19,130
His name was Matt.

440
00:29:20,580 --> 00:29:21,900
Matt Van Der Twist.

441
00:29:23,300 --> 00:29:24,900
Not a name you forget easily.

442
00:29:25,240 --> 00:29:26,800
You actually saw him do it?

443
00:29:27,000 --> 00:29:28,050
As good as.

444
00:29:28,980 --> 00:29:31,320
It wasn't his first go. He tried it
before.

445
00:29:31,640 --> 00:29:33,810
Why wasn't this mentioned at the
inquiry?

446
00:29:33,840 --> 00:29:35,580
I was too sick to talk.

447
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:39,090
Everyone else, they knew they wouldn't
be taken seriously.

448
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:41,540
Unreliable witnesses.

449
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:45,860
If this guy Matt set fire to Hyman
House, are you saying he did it to harm

450
00:29:46,220 --> 00:29:47,270
He hated me.

451
00:29:50,030 --> 00:29:51,470
This is very important, Josh.

452
00:29:52,510 --> 00:29:55,400
Did he start the fire with the intention
of injuring you?

453
00:29:55,550 --> 00:29:57,310
He knew I was in the next room.

454
00:29:57,950 --> 00:29:59,750
He knew I'd have no way of getting out.

455
00:30:00,410 --> 00:30:01,870
He wanted to kill me.

456
00:30:03,770 --> 00:30:05,230
Matt van der Twist.

457
00:30:05,730 --> 00:30:09,130
Born 1963 in Dordrecht. Dutch father who
died when he was six.

458
00:30:09,131 --> 00:30:11,869
Referred to a child guidance clinic at
eight.

459
00:30:11,870 --> 00:30:14,490
Next time he turns up, this is in a
psychiatric unit.

460
00:30:15,150 --> 00:30:17,800
What happened straight after the Hyman
House fire?

461
00:30:17,890 --> 00:30:19,770
In 1990, he was recommitted.

462
00:30:20,170 --> 00:30:21,850
He was charged in 93, then nothing.

463
00:30:22,410 --> 00:30:24,610
Family? No, single, no kids.

464
00:30:24,611 --> 00:30:27,509
His mother says he turns up about once a
year, thinks he might be living on the

465
00:30:27,510 --> 00:30:29,270
street. He might be a victim.

466
00:30:30,970 --> 00:30:32,020
Not a suspect.

467
00:30:33,390 --> 00:30:35,380
And the body in Hyman House might be
him.

468
00:30:35,381 --> 00:30:37,889
Well, the killer chose fire for a
reason.

469
00:30:37,890 --> 00:30:41,620
If he sees these people as sinful, then
he has to cleanse them of their sins.

470
00:30:41,830 --> 00:30:44,180
And he wants us to know why they need
cleansing.

471
00:30:44,181 --> 00:30:47,939
Not why me, mark on the body. If the
twist set this fire, he caused Josh's

472
00:30:47,940 --> 00:30:51,190
injury, that gives the killer enough
reason to punish the twist.

473
00:30:51,520 --> 00:30:52,640
I fire with fire.

474
00:30:53,120 --> 00:30:54,380
I'll issue a description.

475
00:30:54,381 --> 00:30:55,899
What is it?

476
00:30:55,900 --> 00:30:59,139
I had another call from Southgate CID
asking whether you'd interviewed the guy

477
00:30:59,140 --> 00:30:59,859
in hospital.

478
00:30:59,860 --> 00:31:01,480
His wife and three children died.

479
00:31:01,481 --> 00:31:04,039
I know, I know what you're going to say.

480
00:31:04,040 --> 00:31:05,019
Just do it.

481
00:31:05,020 --> 00:31:06,070
Get him off my back.

482
00:31:07,520 --> 00:31:08,600
Take Simmons with you.

483
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:10,820
He could do with some fresh air.

484
00:31:11,160 --> 00:31:14,950
I don't remember anything else until I
woke up and the room was full of smoke.

485
00:31:16,480 --> 00:31:18,700
I tried to wake Sam, but I couldn't.

486
00:31:19,860 --> 00:31:23,480
I picked up the baby and I went into the
kids' bedroom.

487
00:31:24,480 --> 00:31:30,159
I carried Lauren and then I tried to
carry Justin too, but I couldn't carry

488
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:31,210
three.

489
00:31:34,060 --> 00:31:35,740
I kept falling over.

490
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:43,950
Do you have an idea who might have done
it?

491
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:47,700
Had you had a fight with someone?

492
00:31:48,580 --> 00:31:50,870
Was anyone trying to hurt you or your
family?

493
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:54,940
Do you remember anything unusual?

494
00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:57,130
Anything at all?

495
00:32:00,300 --> 00:32:04,820
Are you sure you didn't see someone
before the fire started?

496
00:32:08,380 --> 00:32:09,430
There was someone.

497
00:32:11,950 --> 00:32:13,000
A man.

498
00:32:15,850 --> 00:32:16,900
Go on.

499
00:32:17,330 --> 00:32:18,380
Running.

500
00:32:18,770 --> 00:32:21,510
I was going to bed, he was running. How
old was he, Sam?

501
00:32:22,230 --> 00:32:23,280
Twenty? Thirty?

502
00:32:24,150 --> 00:32:25,470
Thirty, thirty -five.

503
00:32:28,090 --> 00:32:29,140
Unshaven.

504
00:32:31,070 --> 00:32:32,120
Scruffy.

505
00:32:34,070 --> 00:32:35,210
Light hair, I think.

506
00:32:36,830 --> 00:32:39,420
It was dark, I didn't really get much of
a look at him.

507
00:32:44,020 --> 00:32:45,700
It's your description of the twat.

508
00:32:46,380 --> 00:32:49,390
It's got to be significant. You asked
him a leading question.

509
00:32:49,391 --> 00:32:52,379
We'll never know if he would have
volunteered that suspect, but without

510
00:32:52,380 --> 00:32:53,430
prompt.

511
00:32:53,760 --> 00:32:54,810
Are you married?

512
00:32:55,700 --> 00:32:56,840
No. Kids?

513
00:32:57,320 --> 00:32:58,370
No. Two.

514
00:32:59,880 --> 00:33:01,500
So, are you going to follow it up?

515
00:33:01,680 --> 00:33:03,240
Oh, we've got to follow it up now.

516
00:33:03,241 --> 00:33:06,879
Hi, you've reached Hannah and Mark. I'm
afraid we're not here right now, but

517
00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:08,020
please leave a message.

518
00:33:08,880 --> 00:33:09,960
Hannah to Dave Cregan.

519
00:33:13,640 --> 00:33:15,200
a conversation and a monologue.

520
00:33:16,080 --> 00:33:17,460
If you want to talk, I'm here.

521
00:33:20,220 --> 00:33:22,020
And if I'm not here, I'm on the mobile.

522
00:33:23,600 --> 00:33:24,650
Bye.

523
00:33:31,600 --> 00:33:32,650
Well,

524
00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:37,730
you've got him.

525
00:33:38,160 --> 00:33:39,300
Tartan's left his flat.

526
00:33:39,840 --> 00:33:41,280
He's heading towards his car.

527
00:33:51,050 --> 00:33:52,100
out of this flat.

528
00:33:53,450 --> 00:33:55,070
Why? Come on!

529
00:33:55,490 --> 00:33:57,850
What did you tell him, Phil?

530
00:33:58,110 --> 00:33:59,160
What did you say?

531
00:33:59,670 --> 00:34:01,190
Why? What did you say?

532
00:34:01,430 --> 00:34:03,050
Why did you have to tell him that?

533
00:34:03,550 --> 00:34:04,600
What did you say?

534
00:34:05,770 --> 00:34:06,820
Hello!

535
00:34:10,949 --> 00:34:14,550
The bitch set me up! I was my kids
because of you bastards!

536
00:34:15,070 --> 00:34:17,240
Don't think everyone's against you,
Andy.

537
00:34:17,949 --> 00:34:21,259
Beaten up, a pregnant woman is not the
correct response to stress.

538
00:34:22,250 --> 00:34:23,570
She's a liar! She's a liar!

539
00:34:23,571 --> 00:34:27,269
She doesn't seem too bad. She's just
shaken. I've got a doctor to come out

540
00:34:27,270 --> 00:34:27,928
look at the baby.

541
00:34:27,929 --> 00:34:29,249
What the hell were you lot playing at?

542
00:34:29,250 --> 00:34:30,300
She's a witness!

543
00:34:30,610 --> 00:34:31,660
Hey, Cregan.

544
00:34:31,661 --> 00:34:34,349
Listen, if they weren't properly
briefed, that's our fault, not theirs.

545
00:34:34,350 --> 00:34:36,069
Oh, well, that's going to go on the
report.

546
00:34:36,070 --> 00:34:37,529
What report are you talking about?

547
00:34:37,530 --> 00:34:39,510
The one Enright asked Rivers to compile.

548
00:34:40,730 --> 00:34:41,780
Oh, lovely.

549
00:34:42,230 --> 00:34:43,670
Enright's had you back, Dave.

550
00:34:43,949 --> 00:34:45,809
Show him he's made the right decision.

551
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:53,740
It's all right, he's gone.

552
00:34:54,739 --> 00:34:56,599
There's no need to be frightened, OK?

553
00:34:57,060 --> 00:34:58,700
I thought he was going to kill me.

554
00:34:59,240 --> 00:35:01,890
I thought he was going to do to me what
he did to Debbie.

555
00:35:03,320 --> 00:35:05,240
Well, we're not sure he did kill Debbie.

556
00:35:06,520 --> 00:35:07,570
I'm sorry, Lynette.

557
00:35:08,191 --> 00:35:12,719
You're not responsible for people like
Andy.

558
00:35:12,720 --> 00:35:13,770
Of course I am.

559
00:35:15,340 --> 00:35:16,480
That's the whole point.

560
00:35:19,400 --> 00:35:21,620
Look, we can charge him with assault.

561
00:35:22,510 --> 00:35:23,560
I don't have time.

562
00:35:25,490 --> 00:35:27,660
It's been hard enough dealing with
Debbie.

563
00:35:27,690 --> 00:35:29,070
Is Debbie your first death?

564
00:35:29,450 --> 00:35:30,500
No.

565
00:35:31,450 --> 00:35:33,150
I lost my mother when I was small.

566
00:35:33,151 --> 00:35:38,249
When my wife, well, my ex -wife was
having her first, her mother died three

567
00:35:38,250 --> 00:35:39,390
weeks before the birth.

568
00:35:40,690 --> 00:35:44,240
And she couldn't grieve because she
thought it was unfair to the child.

569
00:35:44,790 --> 00:35:47,260
Children have a right to happy parents,
she said.

570
00:35:48,590 --> 00:35:50,210
Is that why you left your family?

571
00:35:53,550 --> 00:35:56,070
No, that's... No, there were lots of
reasons.

572
00:35:58,210 --> 00:36:01,190
But you not being happy with the main
one? No, I was shot.

573
00:36:01,530 --> 00:36:02,630
I died.

574
00:36:03,610 --> 00:36:05,670
You mean you almost died? No, I was
dead.

575
00:36:06,570 --> 00:36:07,620
For a short while.

576
00:36:07,621 --> 00:36:11,569
Well, when I came out of hospital, I
could tell they'd all been preparing for

577
00:36:11,570 --> 00:36:12,620
death.

578
00:36:12,890 --> 00:36:16,320
They were all getting used to the fact
that I wasn't going to be there.

579
00:36:17,790 --> 00:36:21,830
I know it sounds awful, but it's the
kids I feel for more than Debbie.

580
00:36:22,350 --> 00:36:23,590
You? Yeah.

581
00:36:25,510 --> 00:36:26,950
I wish John was here.

582
00:36:29,370 --> 00:36:32,190
My husband is away working.

583
00:36:34,290 --> 00:36:36,890
Cregan, Tom and Rose are ready for us.

584
00:36:40,530 --> 00:36:41,810
Take care of yourself.

585
00:36:43,010 --> 00:36:44,060
And the baby.

586
00:36:44,061 --> 00:36:50,769
Sorry about the ungodly hour, but once I
get going, I don't stop till I finish.

587
00:36:50,770 --> 00:36:52,269
I didn't even know it's the time.

588
00:36:52,270 --> 00:36:53,099
Don't worry.

589
00:36:53,100 --> 00:36:54,660
Some of us don't need much sleep.

590
00:36:54,900 --> 00:36:56,400
Anyway, it's over here.

591
00:36:56,401 --> 00:37:00,699
Did Simmons fax you the photo around
this place? Oh, yeah, over there, by the

592
00:37:00,700 --> 00:37:01,750
fax machine.

593
00:37:11,680 --> 00:37:12,730
It's not him.

594
00:37:13,240 --> 00:37:14,290
Not a twerp.

595
00:37:14,291 --> 00:37:20,059
We're appealing to the public for any
information, anything at all, which may

596
00:37:20,060 --> 00:37:21,680
help us to identify this man.

597
00:37:21,681 --> 00:37:27,069
That's it. Is it true that three people
have been burned to death in the last

598
00:37:27,070 --> 00:37:29,989
few weeks and that you're operating a
news blackout? The conference is over,

599
00:37:29,990 --> 00:37:33,189
General. Then you think the public
deserve to know what's going on? It's a

600
00:37:33,190 --> 00:37:36,509
try. We're as sure as we can be. The
body didn't belong to the quest. Yeah,

601
00:37:36,510 --> 00:37:39,269
we've got a whole set of dental records
to double -check, but the face is

602
00:37:39,270 --> 00:37:42,409
completely different, which now means we
have to consider him as our main

603
00:37:42,410 --> 00:37:43,460
suspect.

604
00:37:44,330 --> 00:37:45,410
He's our only suspect.

605
00:37:45,650 --> 00:37:49,440
And of the previous one. The risk of
repeating myself, sir, this isn't Arden.

606
00:37:49,570 --> 00:37:52,460
It was a resident of Hyman House, so he
knows the location.

607
00:37:52,461 --> 00:37:56,259
Ten years ago, he allegedly burned the
place down. A victim of that fire

608
00:37:56,260 --> 00:37:58,120
believes he did it with murder in mind.

609
00:37:58,200 --> 00:37:59,250
Hit the profile.

610
00:37:59,700 --> 00:38:01,870
He also fits Michael Flynn's
description.

611
00:38:01,871 --> 00:38:02,999
Michael Flynn?

612
00:38:03,000 --> 00:38:04,740
The survivor of the Southgate fire.

613
00:38:04,900 --> 00:38:06,340
Can we talk about this later?

614
00:38:06,341 --> 00:38:13,459
We're appealing to the public for any
information, anything at all, which may

615
00:38:13,460 --> 00:38:14,510
help us identify him.

616
00:38:21,320 --> 00:38:23,180
I've had two people give the same name.

617
00:38:39,231 --> 00:38:45,139
One woman wouldn't believe her name. She
rang off pretty quick.

618
00:38:45,140 --> 00:38:46,520
The other was his ex -wife.

619
00:38:46,521 --> 00:38:49,849
Said she hadn't seen him for a few
months, but that's nothing unusual.

620
00:38:49,850 --> 00:38:50,900
Robert Wise.

621
00:38:51,990 --> 00:38:53,490
He's come up on line one as well.

622
00:38:54,750 --> 00:38:59,069
Robert Wise was a psychiatric nurse.
Between 83 and 89, he worked at

623
00:38:59,070 --> 00:39:00,150
House. How do you know?

624
00:39:00,230 --> 00:39:01,490
Just spoke to his ex -wife.

625
00:39:01,570 --> 00:39:02,630
Such a twist knew him.

626
00:39:02,631 --> 00:39:06,589
That doesn't mean he killed him. What it
does mean is that Robert Wise was

627
00:39:06,590 --> 00:39:09,009
killed in the place where he used to
work. Well, what about Flynn? How does

628
00:39:09,010 --> 00:39:10,830
feel? He doesn't. He never did.

629
00:39:11,910 --> 00:39:14,550
Because Michael Flynn burnt down his own
house.

630
00:39:16,251 --> 00:39:21,799
Look, he said he saw your man run away,
what, 10 o 'clock?

631
00:39:21,800 --> 00:39:23,660
The neighbours raised the alarm 11 .15.

632
00:39:23,661 --> 00:39:26,779
No -one else reported seeing anyone.
There was no accelerant on the outside

633
00:39:26,780 --> 00:39:29,430
the front door and there was no sign of
a forced entry.

634
00:39:30,300 --> 00:39:31,360
He planned it, man.

635
00:39:32,220 --> 00:39:36,760
This wasn't an insurance scam. A house
wasn't insured. It was overcrowded.

636
00:39:36,980 --> 00:39:39,990
Two adults, three children sharing a two
-bedroomed house.

637
00:39:41,040 --> 00:39:42,180
They wanted a transfer.

638
00:39:42,181 --> 00:39:45,539
They tried three times but were turned
down because they owed too much back

639
00:39:45,540 --> 00:39:46,590
rent.

640
00:39:46,620 --> 00:39:48,200
He made up the suspect, Martin.

641
00:39:58,480 --> 00:40:00,840
I really can't see why we needed to meet
here.

642
00:40:00,841 --> 00:40:03,279
Well, thanks for coming anyway.

643
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,319
I'm due as a select committee in an
hour. It'll be five minutes. We just

644
00:40:06,320 --> 00:40:07,759
some help with the layout of this place.

645
00:40:07,760 --> 00:40:11,359
Well, this used to be the admin section.
The residence room's mostly on the

646
00:40:11,360 --> 00:40:13,530
first floor. Can we start with your
office?

647
00:40:13,840 --> 00:40:15,040
The end of this corridor.

648
00:40:17,360 --> 00:40:18,410
After you.

649
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:21,130
This was it.

650
00:40:23,960 --> 00:40:26,550
It, uh, smells a little better when it
was my office.

651
00:40:33,070 --> 00:40:34,930
Few things as destructive as fire.

652
00:40:34,931 --> 00:40:38,889
That depends on your perspective,
really.

653
00:40:38,890 --> 00:40:42,709
In the mayor, he believed that fire was
a gift from the god's blind grandmother.

654
00:40:42,710 --> 00:40:44,760
He drew it from her fingernails by
magic.

655
00:40:47,610 --> 00:40:48,990
What was this room used for?

656
00:40:49,170 --> 00:40:50,830
It was the main dining room.

657
00:40:53,830 --> 00:40:54,910
Beautiful, isn't it?

658
00:40:54,911 --> 00:40:58,109
The man who founded the charity insisted
on things like that.

659
00:40:58,110 --> 00:41:01,210
He said people who suffer torment in
their inner world...

660
00:41:01,450 --> 00:41:03,250
Deserved to be surrounded by beauty.

661
00:41:05,730 --> 00:41:07,730
How long did Robert Wise work here? Who?

662
00:41:09,050 --> 00:41:11,410
Oh, the man they found here.

663
00:41:12,741 --> 00:41:14,789
I'm sorry.

664
00:41:14,790 --> 00:41:15,840
It's so long ago.

665
00:41:21,010 --> 00:41:23,720
Do you remember a resident called Matt
Vandertwest?

666
00:41:23,810 --> 00:41:24,860
I'm afraid not.

667
00:41:32,970 --> 00:41:35,620
Well, her office might smell better, but
she stinks.

668
00:41:35,621 --> 00:41:40,509
The investigation said the fire started
in the kitchen.

669
00:41:40,510 --> 00:41:41,560
Her office?

670
00:41:41,690 --> 00:41:43,370
Was it the other side of the house?

671
00:41:44,230 --> 00:41:47,720
Yeah. There's no way those residence
files could have gone up in smoke.

672
00:41:47,721 --> 00:41:52,929
Lucy Bond, she was one of the anonymous
callers that identified wives. Why

673
00:41:52,930 --> 00:41:55,009
refuse to give your name and then turn
up in person?

674
00:41:55,010 --> 00:41:56,450
I've got something on my mind.

675
00:41:56,630 --> 00:41:59,880
At first I thought somebody had started
the rumour out of malice.

676
00:42:01,040 --> 00:42:06,639
It's very hard to believe that a
colleague, a nurse, could use his power

677
00:42:06,640 --> 00:42:13,280
What are we talking about?

678
00:42:14,460 --> 00:42:15,510
Assault?

679
00:42:15,900 --> 00:42:16,950
Rape.

680
00:42:17,620 --> 00:42:18,670
Who?

681
00:42:19,060 --> 00:42:20,110
How many?

682
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:21,920
I don't know for sure.

683
00:42:22,560 --> 00:42:27,659
When people who are already in a pretty
fragile state of abuse like that, they

684
00:42:27,660 --> 00:42:28,710
don't usually talk.

685
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:30,970
Was it just women?

686
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:33,020
No, I don't think so.

687
00:42:36,500 --> 00:42:38,060
Did you tell Philippa Edwards?

688
00:42:38,880 --> 00:42:40,020
She didn't want to know.

689
00:42:40,740 --> 00:42:43,930
I could see she was more concerned about
any potential scandal.

690
00:42:44,720 --> 00:42:47,850
I gave my notice in and three weeks
later the place burned down.

691
00:42:47,851 --> 00:42:49,619
Best thing that could have happened.

692
00:42:49,620 --> 00:42:52,959
I want a trace on all residents and
staff at Hyman House who ever lapped

693
00:42:52,960 --> 00:42:54,010
Robert Wise. Sure.

694
00:42:54,011 --> 00:42:59,659
We've got a mother who wasn't averse to
giving her kids methadone, keep them

695
00:42:59,660 --> 00:43:02,820
quiet, and a nurse who abused the trust
of his patients.

696
00:43:03,460 --> 00:43:07,559
Debbie failed her kids, Robert Wise, he
failed the vulnerable adults in his

697
00:43:07,560 --> 00:43:08,610
care.

698
00:43:08,780 --> 00:43:12,840
If the killer was assaulted by Robert
Wise, then the killer is a victim.

699
00:43:15,200 --> 00:43:16,480
The me is the killer.

700
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:18,210
It's not the victim.

701
00:43:19,440 --> 00:43:20,490
Why me?

702
00:43:21,960 --> 00:43:24,960
But if it's an act of retribution by one
of Wise's victims...

703
00:43:26,020 --> 00:43:27,640
Why wait 10 years to carry it out?

704
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:31,210
I don't know.

705
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:10,790
I should have run first. Is this a bad
time?

706
00:44:12,960 --> 00:44:14,600
No, of course not. Come in.

707
00:44:17,271 --> 00:44:19,279
You're working.

708
00:44:19,280 --> 00:44:20,840
I'm sorry. Believe me, it's fine.

709
00:44:22,460 --> 00:44:23,510
I'm leaving.

710
00:44:25,220 --> 00:44:26,960
It's very late. I'm really imposing.

711
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:28,200
No, you're not.

712
00:45:18,480 --> 00:45:19,530
You alright?

713
00:45:20,660 --> 00:45:22,950
You're not coming down with something,
huh?

714
00:46:56,750 --> 00:46:57,870
I'm at Hyman House.

715
00:46:58,390 --> 00:47:01,460
We've had sighting of a man who fits
their twist description.

716
00:47:02,350 --> 00:47:04,090
Turn your bloody phone on, Cregan.

717
00:47:04,140 --> 00:47:08,690
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